@AmphetamineCrown: I can, and I have. In fact, in my wordworking hobby, I have been working backwards from fancy , expensive power tools to fancy, expensive hand tools, to cheap hand tools. The biggest "sevret" is learning how to put a razor charp edge on all your cutting tools. Look at some antiques sometime...… » 11/14/09 11:35am 11/14/09 11:35am